Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/15/2000 03:15 PM Senate FIN

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     SENATE BILL NO. 310                                                                                                        
     "An Act providing  for and relating to  the issuance of                                                                    
     general obligation bonds for  the purpose of paying the                                                                    
     state cost  of school,  University of Alaska,  and port                                                                    
     and  harbor  capital  projects; and  providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  BALDWIN, Assistant  Attorney  General, Department  of                                                                    
Law, advised  that he  had prepared a  memo as  requested by                                                                    
Senator Torgerson  regarding concerns whether  certain items                                                                    
contained in  SB 310 would  qualify as  capital improvements                                                                    
for  the purpose  of issuing  general obligation  bond debt.                                                                    
[Copy on File].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Baldwin  cited that  the Alaska  Supreme Court  has made                                                                    
two decisions relative  to the concern:   Wright versus City                                                                  
of Palmer and  City of Juneau versus Hixson.   The Court has                                                                
not provided  a specific definition of  capital improvement,                                                                    
but rather defined  it by example.  Generally,  it refers to                                                                    
permanent   betterment  of   permanent   structures.     The                                                                    
Department has concluded that  major renovations designed to                                                                    
preserve the  permanency of  a building  would qualify  as a                                                                    
capital  improvement.     Expenditures  for  property  which                                                                    
become a legal  fixture would be a capital  improvement.  In                                                                    
certain circumstances, there  can be expenditures associated                                                                    
with  capital projects  that might  not  otherwise become  a                                                                    
capital item.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Baldwin suggested  consideration  of,  for the  record,                                                                    
that the  nature of  any doubtful  project be  considered in                                                                    
order that  it may be  defended against a  challenge brought                                                                    
when the bonds are sold.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Phillips  referenced Page 3,  Line 11.  He  asked if                                                                    
the allocated $11.7 million dollars would qualify.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Baldwin  understood that  was  to  be the  State's  70%                                                                    
contribution.    The  municipalities   are  under  the  same                                                                    
constitutional administration  and must use their  bonds for                                                                    
capital  improvements.   He assumed  that  those bonds  were                                                                    
issued for capital improvements.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Phillips referenced  Page 4, Line 12  & 13 requested                                                                    
allocation in  the amount of  $25.1 million dollars  for the                                                                    
University of  Alaska -  Fairbanks in  deferred maintenance.                                                                    
He   asked  if   that  would   qualify  under   the  capital                                                                    
improvement projects (CIP).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Baldwin noted  that he did not know and  that he did not                                                                    
have access  to all  the required  information to  make that                                                                    
determination.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Phillips asked further clarification of the memo.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Baldwin reiterated  the contents  of the  memo, stating                                                                    
that if  it were to  be ordinary repair and  maintenance, it                                                                    
would  not  qualify under  the  CIP  guidelines; however,  a                                                                    
major  renovation,   repair  or  maintenance   necessary  to                                                                    
maintain the  permanency of  the facility,  could be  a CIP.                                                                    
He noted  that the  current Court  conclusions have  not yet                                                                    
gone that far.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson asked  if  the  proposition proposal  in                                                                    
Anchorage  passes, would  Anchorage  then  be restricted  on                                                                    
major maintenance  projects that met the  criteria submitted                                                                    
by the Department.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Baldwin responded that the  information contained in the                                                                    
voters pamphlets  becomes a "contract"  with the  voters and                                                                    
that it can not be  parted from without violating the public                                                                    
trust.  He  presumed that the ballot  materials would inform                                                                    
the voters what the project consists of.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Adams  questioned   the  distinguishment   between                                                                    
repairs  and  maintenance.   He  asked  the  judgement  call                                                                    
needed to stay in "repaired maintenance".                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Adams suggested  that perhaps  there  should be  an                                                                    
expenditure  limitation  on  the  capital  projects  over  a                                                                    
certain amount.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Baldwin  replied that  the total  bond issue  drives the                                                                    
"economics" because  of the cost  of issuance.   He believed                                                                    
that a major  upgrade would most likely  fall under "capital                                                                    
improvement".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  pointed out  that there  had not  been a                                                                    
completed  list   submitted  by  the   University,  instead,                                                                    
submitted by  building name  only.  He  advised that  he had                                                                    
prepared some amendments to the proposed legislation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Donley  MOVED to  adopt  Amendment  #5.   [Copy  on                                                                    
File].                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson  explained   that  the  amendment  would                                                                    
remove all  reference to issuing  bonds for port  and harbor                                                                    
projects in SB 310 they had been incorporated into SB 311.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment #5 was adopted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Donley  MOVED to  adopt  Amendment  #6.   [Copy  on                                                                    
File].                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson  clarified   that  the  amendment  would                                                                    
delete the  "$943,565" dollars  on Page  5, Lines  13-14 and                                                                    
would  insert  "an  amount  equal  to  one  percent  of  the                                                                    
principle amount of the bonds, or  as much of that amount as                                                                    
is found necessary".                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Adams inquired what would  occur if that amount were                                                                    
higher than 1% of the principle.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson explained  that  the  agency could  then                                                                    
come back to the Committee to request an increase.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment #6 was adopted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Phillips requested a list  of the general obligation                                                                    
(GO) bonds.   He believed that there were  items that should                                                                    
not  be  included  in  these  bonds.   He  objected  to  the                                                                    
proposed methodology.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Adams recommended  that a  representative from  the                                                                    
University of Alaska speak to the submitted requests.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  emphasized that  if the requests  do not                                                                    
meet  the criteria  that they  should be  deducted from  the                                                                    
bill.     He requested  greater detail  regarding all  three                                                                    
campuses for the University requests.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WENDY   REDMAN,   Vice    President,   Statewide   Programs,                                                                    
University  of Alaska-Fairbanks,  stated  that the  language                                                                    
used in  the past for the  statewide GO bonds in  the Alaska                                                                    
Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)  bond issue was "deferred                                                                    
maintenance/renewal and replacement/code  compliance".  That                                                                    
phrase  provides the  most  flexibility  to the  University.                                                                    
She requested that if possible,  that would be the preferred                                                                    
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson asked  if there  was  a list  indicating                                                                    
work to be done on each building.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Redman commented  that the  list does  provide specific                                                                    
types  of projects  for  each facility.    She inquired  the                                                                    
level of detail needed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  interjected that  the Committee  wants a                                                                    
more thorough  explanation of each  project.  He  noted that                                                                    
the "rule"  he follows  is if  it extends  the "life  of the                                                                    
building".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Redman commented  that  no  "on-going" maintenance  had                                                                    
been  included in  the  request.   She  noted  that it  were                                                                    
present problems  to break  it down  to specific  details of                                                                    
each project.   Some projects  are a "best guess"  until the                                                                    
space is taken  apart, making it difficult  to determine the                                                                    
actual costs.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson  noted that  SB  310  would be  HELD  in                                                                    
Committee for further consideration.                                                                                            

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